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March 05, 2007

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Forrest Higgs

The machining requirement has become a thing of the past for both the RepRap and the spinoff Clanking Replicator project. I recently redesigned the extruder barrel for RepRap's Mk 2 extruder so that it could be made out of hard copper tubing with a bit of braising. That has worked out very well and the Mk 2 can handle several engineering plastics like HDPE, ABS and polypropylene in addition to the polycapralactone that it was able to extrude before.

Chris Phoenix, CRN

Forrest, thanks for the info. That's good news.

Do you know if anyone has yet tried to build Fab@Home parts with RepRap or vice versa? Is anyone even talking about producing a combined design?

Chris

Forrest Higgs

***Do you know if anyone has yet tried to build Fab@Home parts with RepRap or vice versa? Is anyone even talking about producing a combined design?***

LOL! I think that the question would be more one of why a person possessed of a RepRap or one of its spinoffs like Tommelise WANT to use their machine time to make a fab@home? Fab@home is considerably less sophisticated in both concept and technology, never mind much more expensive.

Chris Phoenix, CRN

Well, the Fab@Home project was started in Oct. '06, and it's already shipping. RepRap hopes to announce self-replication in 2008, according to its home page. Which means there's no way I can get one for another year or more.

Fab@Home, since it doesn't depend on FDM, might be a useful "seed" for RepRap's. A hybrid design approach might bring the cost down incrementally, or produce models that would be buildable with less skill.

If RepRap is as great as you say, then it should be able to undercut the current price of some Fab@Home parts, or increase their performance. In other words, RepRappers should be able to make money selling e.g. FDM heads on the Fab@Home website. That's a very practical reason to be interested in building F@H parts.

Chris

Forrest Higgs

***RepRap hopes to announce self-replication in 2008, according to its home page.***

The director of the RepRap Project is a very conservative person who doesn't like to raise expectations. Truth be known, though, a RepRap prototype in New Zealand, Zaphod, replicated it's first part way back in September at the Paraflows conference in Vienna. About a week ago Zaphod printed up a full set of parts for a Mk 2 FDM extruder. Since then they've gone into a new build of an extruder. It's been tested and it works fine.

***If RepRap is as great as you say, then it should be able to undercut the current price of some Fab@Home parts, or increase their performance.***

Again, the question is one of why anybody with a working RepRap want to make a fab@home. Why on Earth would anybody use a $400 machine to make parts for a less capable machine costing several thousand dollars?

While Darwin will be a very capable machine I'm at about the point with Tommelise that Vik Olivier down in New Zealand was back in September. Tommelise is a bootstrap self-replicating printer that anybody with a spot of woodworking skill and a few hand tools can make up for about $150-175 in parts. I've redesigned the RepRap FDM printer to use HDPE, ABS and polypropylene. When I get around to it I'll be qualifying it for PVC as well.

Allowing that there might be a market out there for fab@home after self-replicating printers like Darwin, Zaphod and Tommelise are operational I'm sure that fab@home enthusiasts will be able to buy parts from anybody who has a self-replicating printer and the spare machine time to make them. Who knows.

My feeling is that the fab@home froze their design process far too soon. Cornell should have spent more time qualifying a proper extrusion system and less time on flash and pizzaz. Full specs for the RepRap Mk 2 FDM extruder were published in November of 2005 as open source hardware. They certainly had the technology at their disposal.

Mind, that's just my pedestrian opinion. Fab@home touted as "innovative technology" puzzles me greatly. It could have been so much more with so little extra effort. :-s

Chris Phoenix, CRN

Is Fab@Home design frozen? It's open source, and I assume they wouldn't reject improvements. They have a wiki, after all.

Good news that RepRap is probably closer than 2008 and there's a seed version.

In my talk today, I mentioned that RepRap could do 3 or 4 types of plastic, and one of the audience members said, "Yes, but I think it should be able to do metal too. The practical problems should be solvable..." Turns out that he's been researching FDM metal.

Chris

Forrest Higgs

***Good news that RepRap is probably closer than 2008 and there's a seed version.***

It's a little better than that. Adrian Bowyer is working on a release version of a RepRap machine that he plans on releasing called Darwin. It's a pretty complete design, not a bootstrap like my Tommelise design. I'd guess it will be running nicely about May-June, but it could well take the rest of the year before on-line documentation reaches a point where a fairly ordinary enthusiast could make one up at home. Mind, one guy is bootstrapping the basic connector blocks out of wood, I think, so Darwin could spread pretty quickly.

The Mk II extruder parts kit was made out of wood successfully last year by a guy named James Wilkins.

***In my talk today, I mentioned that RepRap could do 3 or 4 types of plastic, and one of the audience members said, "Yes, but I think it should be able to do metal too.***

That's not precisely true. Tommelise, a RepRap spinoff (Clanking Replicator Project) has extruded ABS, HPP, HDPE and polycapralactone extrusion plus some halting first steps at extruding common 60/40 tin/lead solder for circuitry and spackling compound for structural support.

RepRap per se, to the best of my knowledge, has extruded polycapralactone (ages ago), Wood's metal for circuitry, and spackling compound (Polyfilla) for support material.

I sent some HPP and HDPE filament over to the hard-core RepRap folks at Bath University and in New Zealand so that they could test it in their Mk II FDM extruder, but to date I've not heard if they've had time to try it out.

***Turns out that he's been researching FDM metal.***

COOL! I'm hammering that idea, too, in my very limited spare time. Did you get his name? :-)

I think a takeoff on the RepRap Mk II extruder could FDM metal traces. I've scratched out a new extruder barrel and thermal barrier design that I hope will let that happen.

Tom Craver

The products of fabbers I've seen so far don't look terribly precise. Would it really be worse to think in terms of a milling machine, for significantly more precise results? Even if you're thinking recycling plastic, you could melt it down into a block to be milled.

Also, in order to make things of metal, maybe they should be concentrating on something like making casting molds out of clay or plaster. It's not a one-step process, but clay is pretty universally available, and melting down scrap aluminum isn't terribly high-tech. A "milling tip" for clay could be made of aluminum, allowing the loop to be closed.

Forrest Higgs

Several people working in the various teams at RepRap are hot to use RepRap to make molds either directly or to make plastic mockups that can be used to make sand casting molds.

Personally, working with orange-hot crucibles of molten aluminum isn't my preferred pastime. I'm quite interested in high strength ceramics like silicon nitride. They can be extruded as slurries directly or cast in plastic molds. The people at Stanford use a hacked kitchen microwave oven to fire them. I can get right alongside that sort of thing. :-)

http://www-rpl.stanford.edu/files/paper/2000/m2000a.pdf

Dr.V.Veeranna

dear sir

This is Dr. V. Veeranna, M.Tech in manufacturing technology and Doctareate in Flexible manufacturing system. Presently working as Associate Prefessor in Engineering college. Please give the information for

1. Type of components that can be manufacture at home using Rapid prototyping.
2. Is it possible for addopt smale scale industry

3. Is it gives monitary benifit

Forrest Higgs

***1. Type of components that can be manufacture at home using Rapid prototyping.***

You can manufacture components that you would be able to make on a commercial fused deposition modelling 3D printer like those made by the firm Stratasys.

***2. Is it possible for addopt smale scale industry***

I'm fairly certain that that will be more than possible.

***3. Is it gives monitary benifit***

For small production runs I think that it definitely will be cost effective. If you are looking to make hundreds of thousands of something, however, I do not think that it will compete with commercial injection moulding machines.

What I see the technology doing is enabling virtually anybody to be able to do product design and small production runs out of their home or small workshop. This, I think, will change the whole nature of how products are designed, who designs them, and which ones see large scale serial production runs.

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