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« The Science of Tiny Machines | Main | Planetary Maintenance »

February 21, 2007

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Eric

Mike, is there a general consensus on the other end of that 2020 forecast for MM? You said no later than 2020, but what is the most reasonable forecast on the early side of the timeline? (Taking into account that of course we could be wrong, but if you were to try to "ballpark" it...)

Chris Phoenix

Eric, it's hard to know. We don't even know if a molecular manufacturing program has been started already, somewhere in the world. And we can't predict events like the recent UK Ideas Factory that may move the field forward significantly all by themselves.

I wouldn't be shocked if a well-run crash program started in 2010 might do something useful by 2015. But that's a scenario, not a prediction.

("Something useful" means exponential manufacturing that's programmable and flexible enough to make a general-purpose set of nanoscale building blocks that can be combined into large products.)

Chris

Mike Treder, CRN

Eric, on our main website we say: "It might be become a reality by 2010, likely will by 2015, and almost certainly will by 2020." That's not a consensus, of course, but an informed opinion.

MM being developed by 2010 would mean that a secret program has been operating for a number of years. We don't think that's the case, but we also can't rule out the possibility.

Our statement that MM "likely" will arrive by 2015 is based on the expectation that over the next several years it will become increasingly clear how powerful and valuable the technology will be -- and so someone, somewhere, will find a way to fund a crash program.

NanoEnthusiast

I've always wondered what would have happened if nanotechnology developed the way Feynman proposed in his lecture. I.e., building progressively smaller factories. Would the science and engineering have been straight forward until you reached a certain size? If so, what is that size? At what point from the other direction can we safely employ traditional mechanical engineering principles? That, to me, is the question that will answer just how fast a nanofactory can be developed.

Most of the skepticism surrounding MNT has focused on the basic chemical reactions. If and when that is dealt with, I imagine the target will move to the higher levels. From a systems integration perspective, a nanofactory *looks* like the most complex device humans have ever envisioned. What I am wondering is, will all the pieces fall into place when all the major hurtles are overcomed?

Chris Phoenix

NanoEnthusiast, great question. My answer: It would have become quite difficult at the moment the parts became too small to manipulate with handheld tools. And it would have become extremely difficult at the moment the parts became too small to see with photons. I know that's not what you were asking, but I think it's an important barrier to recognize.

I'm guessing that the first re-engineering of the machines themselves would have been the need to replace electric motors with either different kinds of motors or clutches from an external drive. The second might have been either metal softness, or lubrication problems.

Skepticism around MM has focused on anything the skeptics can think of. Software programming, thermal noise, supposedly competitive alternative approaches, and as you say, chemistry. So it is already at the higher levels as well as the lower levels--and it persisted for decades in areas that had already been dealt with.

I do not think a nanofactory has to be more complex than a computer. Whether that's an IBM PC from 1982 running DOS, or a modern gaming machine running Vista, I don't know. I think it's closer to the former--at least the early versions can be. Once you have general-purpose robotics that can be externally programmed, and once you have a small set of general-purpose operations that can be combined in long sequences, then your design space becomes huge while your design task remains relatively simple.

Chris

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