The Trouble with Youth
Not Necessarily Relevant Quote of the Week:
Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when others enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers.— Socrates (5th century B.C.E.)
It's a misattribution.
See http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Socrates
Posted by: Charles | March 02, 2008 at 11:22 AM
I'm not going to make a big writeup on these guys; the fact that CRN wants to confine all of humanity here on earth forever should tell you everything you need to know about them; nope, I'm not going to get started . . . i keep hoping for some simpple statement to make; but, that hope is just going to turn into one big long post, and I'm not going to do it!
Posted by: the oakster1 | March 02, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Can you provide anything to back up that claim? I've noted several instances in which they mention opening up space being a benefit of advanced nano.
Posted by: Tom Craver | March 02, 2008 at 02:06 PM
Tom,
The Oakster is some kind of proto-troll. His/her pattern is to say something like:
" I have got a killer critique of CRN but I am too lazy to actually write it down in a coherent manor. But believe me it blows these CRN guys out of the water!"
Posted by: jim moore | March 02, 2008 at 10:37 PM
First to Cramer . . . i've seen you here probably since CRN's beginning of blogging; i'm surprised you havn't seen any posts by the CRN duo much less others posting here to the affect of 'we can't let them off the planet!" I don't know about Mr Pheonix, but it seems to me that Mr Treder is of the opinion of Bill Joy that the scientists are the extremists that must not be allowed to get their hands on mnt. I've given Crn AND OTHER ORIGINAL nanotechnologists my thoughts about irrationalists which they don't seem to want to talk about(no e-mail replies from the e-mails I've given them); this could be lots of things; maybe they are affraid to speak the truth about humanity in public; i for one believe in the weapon of openess. I suppose I could finish off with the ending of CRN's 'system of three ethics which after talking brilliantly about problems of mixing different fields of human endeavor suddenly throw at you how they are going to perform this economic trick of distributing 'limited mnt's' throughout the world; sounds great; but to make the plan work, they can't let people out to space; otherwise, they can make genuine mnt; they can escape the system, and Treder and Bill Joy can't let humanity escape the irrationalist past!
Do you ever wonder why Drexler in a speech that was shown here on CRN said the foresight institute is dead? Surelly you saw that before they took it down. I've seen other stuff from Mr Pheonix to the affect of 'we'll upload everybody into a nanocomputer and that way there will be no individualism . . . this will solve all our human problems because everybody will be one.' Sound great except, well, there's a lot of problems there which would make this small survey way to long for anybody to have the time to read!
I've seen the Treder post here on his blog about wanting to vacation in the Jovian system; let's see what he says about doing so at the Alpha Centauri system or further out!
Posted by: the oakster1 | March 03, 2008 at 04:22 PM
To Mr Moore . . . should I reiterate Godel's theoerm here on this blog? I think not!
Posted by: the oakster1 | March 03, 2008 at 04:25 PM
I must say I'm surprised I got a responce or two on this blog; i had figured Chris has gone around telling everybody to not even bother replying or thinking about my ideas; after all, I still havn't gotten a reply from the CRn duo much less others like Mr Smart about historical reasons like the Roman empire of why we should not confine ourselves here on earth for the next few billion years(a power mnt is quite capable of doing) and plenty of other things about human psychology and sociology - specifically with religoin. But, if you Mr Moore really feel like reading some of what I've gotten around to posting, I've taken the liberty of going all the way back to the first relevant post in a blogt I've put together. . .
http://flashgordons-universal.blogspot.com/2007/03/mathematics-as-key-to-human-mind.html
Because of archiving, lots of this material is hard to get back to; but I did it siece you asked.
Posted by: the oakster1 | March 03, 2008 at 04:50 PM