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January 22, 2007

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It's not really green before the power with which the car is charged is also green, is it? An electric car, powered by energy made from fossil or nuclear fuel just shifts the emission/environmental problems from car to power plant. A power plant may be made more efficient than an ICE, but there may also be higher losses due to transportation of the energy. So is the green balance really in favor of the electric car if it is charged through conventional means, i.e. the plug in the wall?

You're right, Matt, that an electric car is not necessarily green. But it does allow for the possibility of using power -- i.e., wind or solar -- not generated by burning fossil fuels.

Even without an "efficient storage medium economy" (hydrogen, super dooper Li-ion), 10% generation by wind and 50% by solar seems reasonable in the not too distant future. So 2/3's green IMO.

Don't forget the energy cost of making the car.

If I drive a 35 MPG sedan 150,000 miles, it'll use 5,000 gallons of gas, costing perhaps $15,000. The car probably cost more than that new.

And some large fraction of the car's cost can be billed to energy usage, to power the car's manufacture.

A hybrid might save ~1500 gallons, but since it might cost ~$3000 more, some of that driving energy savings is eaten up by manufacturing energy.

A plain-gas car manufactured using 50% green energy might be greener than a hybrid made using brown energy.

An all-electric vehicle probably costs more than a hybrid. It is greener to burn fuel in a power plant than in your car, because car engines are horribly inefficient--a lot worse than the power grid. But again, you have to look at manufacturing energy as well as driving energy.

Chris

The hope with the hybrid is that revenues generated by buying overpriced cars will be used to R + D successively less overpriced cars until the hybrid industry can afford its own industry lobby groups.
If hybrids were forever doomed to be much more expensive than ICE, they'd be useless. Lots of solid state battery advances and PEM membrane advances in them thar nanotech hills.

90% of lifetime energy consumption is fuel, according to Google Answers, quoting GreenCar.com. (But the car will still probably cost more than the gas.)

True, the emissions problem is shifted back to the power plant, but these also have the ability to green up just a bit. In general, it think electric transportation is quite valuable, and there are other ways to charge a battery. Sun or wind to start with.

Thanks for that nice calculation....

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